Imagine you ordered a pizza. Seven perfect slices. One slice has a cockroach baked into it. Would you call it a good pie?
Nobody would. And that’s the question Pastor Jonathan Phoenix brought to the Newberry Road campus last Sunday: how can we offer seven-eighths of our lives to God and call that faithful? This week’s episode of What We Didn’t Say on Sunday features Richie Baldwin and Jonathan — Westside’s International Ministry pastor, on staff since 2020 — talking through what Jonathan preached on Sunday, why Matthew’s genealogy includes some of the messiest kings in Judah’s history, and how 12% of Gainesville is foreign-born and doesn’t know it yet has a church home waiting.
God Is Predictably Gracious
The phrase Jonathan kept returning to on Sunday — and throughout the episode — is one David has been building toward all series: God is predictably gracious. Not randomly gracious. Not occasionally gracious. Predictably. The discipline Asa experienced when he trusted physicians over God in his final years wasn’t God abandoning him. It was God doing what Hebrews says he always does with his children: disciplining those he loves. And the invitation on the other side of that discipline is always the same. It’s never too late to come back.
“We’re predictably messy. But God is predictably gracious and forgiving.” — Pastor Jonathan Fenix
The Pizza Illustration
Jonathan was looking for an illustration for going all in with God — and landed on pizza. Seven perfect slices, one slice with a cockroach baked in. Nobody eats around the bad slice and calls the pizza good. The whole thing goes in the trash. He was using it to press on the question of partial obedience: we wouldn’t accept one compromised slice of pizza, so why do we think God would accept one compromised eighth of a life?
It made himself hungry, by his own admission, especially at the 11 o’clock service. Richie’s wife is an entomologist — she eats bugs, a practice technically called entomophagy — and she would apparently be able to recommend which cockroach varieties are edible if it came to that. The podcast went somewhere unexpected.
Why Are Failed Kings in Jesus’s Family Tree?
The Matthew genealogy thread is the most substantive theological content in the episode. Matthew structures his genealogy in three sets of 14 generations — Abraham to David, David to the Babylonian exile, exile to Jesus — and in doing so he skips several kings. What he doesn’t skip is Asa, Jehoshaphat, and Joram. Three generations of the four-chair pattern in sequence: a king who ended poorly, a king who taught well and compromised relationally, and a king who collapsed entirely.
The point Richie and Jonathan kept coming back to: Matthew isn’t hiding anything. The Bible doesn’t airbrush its heroes. The genealogy of the King of Kings includes messy, compromised, failing people because that’s the family God chose to work through. The only hero in the story from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22 is God himself. Every human in the line is evidence that God’s grace operates in spite of people, not because of them.
They traced the thread further back to Genesis 3:15 — the protoevangelium, the first hint of the gospel — where God promises that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent. That thread runs through Abraham’s covenant, through David’s covenant, through every king in the genealogy whether good or bad, straight through to Matthew’s opening chapter. 66 books, 1,500 years, multiple human authors. One coherent story, because there’s really only one Author.
The Nations Are Already in Gainesville
Jonathan arrived in Gainesville from the Philippines and has been doing international ministry at Westside since 2020. He carries an unusual empathy for international students because he was one. Seven percent of the University of Florida’s enrollment are international students. Twelve percent of Gainesville’s residents are foreign-born. Many of them come for a degree or a work contract, meet Jesus, get discipled, and go home as believers. They came for an education. They leave ready for the mission field.
The word for that is “glocal” — local initiatives with global impact. Someone discipled in Gainesville, Florida goes home to Vietnam or South Korea or Japan and takes the gospel with them. This week, new friends from Vietnam, South Korea, and Japan. Usually India and China. This fall, the nations look a little different.
Also in this episode
- Jonathan’s earpiece wouldn’t fit his right ear during the 9:30 service — he had to be handed a mic mid-sermon and suspects the earpiece was molded after Pastor David’s right ear specifically
- Richie’s blooper: the announcement video where Richie shoots basketball shots to promote three upcoming events. Every shot went in. None of them were Richie’s. Shoutout to Jack Harrington, youth student and three-point specialist, who made all of them during the film shoot
- Jonathan not being picked for his junior high class basketball team — 15 boys, needed 12, Jonathan was one of three left out. He’s been carrying this for 38 years.
- The Philippines beat Iran AND Jordan in Asia basketball qualifiers. Richie notes this does not include Michael Jordan. Jonathan concurs.
Why Does Matthew’s Genealogy Include Sinners and Failures?
Matthew’s genealogy in chapter 1 is structured as three groups of 14 generations: Abraham to David, David to the Babylonian exile, and the exile to Jesus. Within this structure, Matthew deliberately includes kings whose reigns were marked by failure, compromise, and outright wickedness. The theological reason is intentional: Matthew is not writing a story about human heroes. He is establishing that Jesus is the rightful King of Kings who descends from the line of David — and the integrity of that genealogy requires including every generation, not just the spiritually successful ones. The Bible does not hide the failures of its figures because the central argument of Scripture is not human faithfulness but divine grace.
Frequently asked questions
Genesis 3:15 is often called the protoevangelium — the first gospel. After the fall, God addresses the serpent and says: “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” This is the first hint in Scripture that a specific descendant of Eve will one day defeat the serpent — which the New Testament identifies as Jesus. The promise then narrows progressively: through Abraham’s covenant, through the tribe of Judah, through the Davidic covenant, until Matthew chapter 1 names the specific person that thread was always pointing toward. Every genealogy, every king, every generation in between is part of that thread.
Scripture Referenced: Matthew 1 • 2 Chronicles 16 • Genesis 3:15 • Hebrews 12:6 • John 1:1
















